Vertical Conversion of “Zilla Critter Keeper” for tree frogs

[Kristen]

No Kristen, I'm afraid she is not eating on her own.
I'm am , yet again, faced with likely having to force feed her.
I'm thinking !
Thank You for asking about her , Lynn

Aw too bad Hopefully in time she will eventually start eating on her own.
Thats okay

[flybyferns]

Hi All,
Okay So I am moving along with my plan to put Boggie back in w/the Red Eyed Tree Frogs.
Yes, back in with the red eyed tree frogs- A. callidryas
Sadly, I had to force feed for her the 4th time since I move her into her own enclosure.

I have not witness her eat in this enclosure since I moved her on March 3rd.
It is impossible to miss any uneaten crickets/feed. I use feeding bowls and have very simple substrate.
Crickets cannot go unaccounted for- on the floor of this enclosure.

I am baffled ! I have tried everything except:
1)moving her back in w/ the red eyes and “monitor her weight”
2) removing the mist king ( which I installed 3 weeks prior to the move)
(I have considered the tubing vibration bothering her; my red eyes, however, seem completely unaffected by the mist king , and in fact sit on the tubing while it is misting)
3) Possible parasitic infestation?
She continues to look quite well but a speck thinner. Photos from this morning taken throught he glass :





Sunday past ( in the following order) I weighed her, fed her, and gave her a pedi soak. I am waiting for a poop ( hopefully ) from the Sunday feed to have tested for parasites. She has previously had a week flagyl soaks. I am assuming I should wait a bit before, possibly, exposing her to any additional antibiotics. I have Pancar C ( powder form ) on hand. However, I cannot dust the food with it because she does not eat.

I purchased her as a froglet in 2009. I cannot imagine that moving her back in w/ the red eyes (where she lived since late Nov 2009) could be more stressful than continuing to force feed her!!!

When 2 additional moreletii are properly quarantined and are big enough to be with her, I will move them all back into her new enclosure( late summer ?) Two of Michael Novy’s new A. moreletii tads have my name on them.

Any and all constructive criticism is welcomed as I am not thinned skinned in any way and appreciate any guidance and ideas.

Thanks Lynn

[helm96]

Good luck, I hope that this gets Boggie acting normal again!

[flybyferns]

Good luck, I hope that this gets Boggie acting normal again!

Thanks, Will

[killerecho]

Lynn, I'm a little late to this thread - sorry you're having problems. I have more questions than answers at this point, but hopefully, they'll put us on the right track.

Have you spoken with Mike Novy about this? I faced a similar scenario with my yellow eyes not long ago and he advised using metronidazole and duramycin. I did the first and it seemed to produce good results.

Does she wake and move around at night? Have you tried to physically move her in front of the feeding bowl? Have you considered letting the crickets roam around or using a larger feeding bowl to encourage more movement from them?

What makes you think moving Boggie in with the red eyes would help now? I've never known tree frogs to get genuinely "lonely" to the point of not eating. I'm sure you're aware of the risks of mixing species - do you think its wise at this point?

[flybyferns]

Hi Brian,
Moving her BACK in with the red eyes ( where she always lived) is the ONLY thing I have not tried.
In fact, as it turns out , the stress of moving her is how she got into this perplexing situation in the first place.
(Yes, lots of different opinions about that ) However, I WILL follow my my gut! I did use the metronidazole treatment which ended on 4/10.
She did rally--- then all came to a stand still. She is not "lonely" like in the human sense of the word. But , YES, so stressed w/ the move that she stopped eating.
It starts to pile up. i.e. move-stress-affects the appetite-opportunistic bug starts to get the better of her-more stress -soaks- more stress-handling- more stress - metronidazole - more stress- no food - more stress and so on . Before you know it, it's a mess. I contacted Dr Frye today(I will send you the link).
We have a plan . I am hoping things will get better soon.

Thank You for asking !!! Lynn

[flybyferns]

Boggie -- up-date
Moving Boggie back ? must wait until she is done w/ the( repeat) metronidazole drops/ treatment.
(otherwise I will never know when she eats for the first time -by herself-in 5 1/2 weeks )
Then, I may have to de-worm her IF she has anymore diarrhea between now and then.
Today is day 4 of 10-- of the metronidazole. I fed her Sunday - 4/29

I got so excited, last night, to see she was definitively hunting!
But only for a for a minute or so, then took a catnap on the leaf she was on.
I got up twice and found her poking around. She was very active last night.

I could not make catching a cricket easier for her.
One small bowl w/ crickets in a planter 1/2 way up the enclosure wall (18”up), a larger bowel w/ crickets is on the floor.
AND, there are free roaming ones on the floor of the viv. Any other ideas are REALLY, REALLY , more than welcome.
A little hunting is better than nothing. It was good to see.
Nothing missing again this am.

I have wax worm pupae ready to hatch.
Maybe a moth will get her attention !

Thanks for all the support and PM's


photo-a few minutes ago after application of metronidazole drops
Lynn